Stress-testing the limits of the First Amendment w/ Chaz Stevens
So to Speak: The Free Speech PodcastEp. 275

Debates over religious freedom have shaped American life for centuries. From Quakers facing persecution in colonial America to The Crucible to South Park, fights over religious expression have repeatedly tested the country's commitment to free speech and religious liberty.
At the heart of these debates are a few difficult questions: Does the Constitution protect only popular beliefs, or all of them? If the government opens the door for one form of religious expression, does it have to allow every form? And if not, where does the Constitution draw the line?
Few people have tested those questions more directly than Chaz Stevens.
Stevens is the founder of the Church of Satanology and a longtime activist who uses satire, publicity stunts, and litigation to challenge what he sees as hypocrisy in how governments apply First Amendment protections.
In this episode, Chaz joins us to talk about those battles, the philosophy behind his activism, and what he's learned from years of pushing the boundaries of the First Amendment.
Follow Chaz on Substack here.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:26 What is Satanology?
04:15 Using malicious compliance to defend viewpoint neutrality
07:14 Pushing the boundaries of religious freedom protections
10:12 The First Amendment right to petition the government
11:20 Fighting state-mandated religious displays
15:37 Why Chaz puts Festivus poles in state capitols
19:59 Ron DeSantis, school libraries, and book ban controversies
23:44 Suing the government without a lawyer (pro se litigation)
30:18 Chaz's lawsuit against Rep. Chip LaMarca and Lindke v. Freed
34:48 How Chaz's activism started
35:54 The Consentivius tour and the Epstein files
38:55 What is Chaz's endgame?
41:27 Outro
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