Social media, speech, and kids w/ Joel Thayer and Kate Ruane

**Editor's note: This episode was recorded before Meta settled a social media addiction trial with a coalition of state attorneys general on Aug. 26, 2026. The case alleged the company knew some of its features on Facebook and Instagram could be harmful to kids and the company publicly misrepresented those risks.

Social media and artificial intelligence are increasingly powerful tools for sharing and accessing information. They're also at the center of a push for the government to address their potential harms -- particularly to kids.

So where's the constitutional line between regulating technology and regulating speech? And could this latest wave of legislation and litigation change what we can see, say, and create online?

Joining us to break down the latest developments in social media and AI and what it all means for free speech are:

• Joel Thayer, senior fellow for AI and emerging technology policy at the America First Policy Institute and president of the Digital Progress Institute

• Kate Ruane, director of the Center for Democracy & Technology's Free Expression Project

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

02:02 The case for regulating social media

09:23 The case for social media as protected speech

18:12 Are social media design features protected speech?

23:46 Section 230 and platform liability

37:21 Privacy, COPPA, and online child safety

58:40 Are AI chatbots speech?

01:09:06 Will Congress regulate social media and AI?

01:12:27 Outro

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